is there any culture that actually used years of 360 days length?
if so, surely there would still be some kind of leap year to correct the calendar, why is that not taken into account?
i'd never thought about it when i was a dub because you're not supposed to think!
Leolaia,
OK, I am confused and, it appears, dead wrong.
Go slow, I am horrible on this stuff.
IF the prophets were talking about the years they used they would be talking about 364 day long year?
Why does the 360 day end up 1914 and the 364 day end up 1878? It looks like it would be the opposite.
Dazed and confused (not an unussual condition),
V
is there any culture that actually used years of 360 days length?
if so, surely there would still be some kind of leap year to correct the calendar, why is that not taken into account?
i'd never thought about it when i was a dub because you're not supposed to think!
Leolaia,
OK, I am confused and, it appears, dead wrong.
Go slow, I am horrible on this stuff.
IF the prophets were talking about the years they used they would be talking about 364 day long year?
Why does the 360 day end up 1914 and the 364 day end up 1878? It looks like it would be the opposite.
Dazed and confused (not an unussual condition),
V
what a masterful example of jehovahs's loving kindness and wisdom is the hyena.. most carefully jehovah designed the birth canal of the female hyena to abruptly do a 140 degree turn just before the normal place of exit for the birth canal and change direction back to the head of the mother.
the birth canal then ends in what is generally referred to as a female pseudo-penis, a narrow tube exiting the body exactly where the male penis does.. .
when the young hyena mother first gives birth, most times the young get stuck around the bend or lower down in the tight "penis", where they suffocate and die.
The first time I read the Subject of the thread I thought it said:
"The Hymen......"
What the heck?
Ok....reread....we are ok, now.
Not that, on this board the first reading would be a surprise......
V
i left the organization in my heart a year ago, i stopped going to meetings a week ago.
this was recently announced for the upcoming convention.
jeans and t-shirts are not to be worn in public after each day's convention program.
This is just one more example of how the Society works to keep everyone in a barely adolescent mind set:
Now children, here is what we will wear, next.....
And, they are talking to .....what.....adults????
Gag me with a Kingdom spoon...
V
does anyone know of any changes in policy that's going to be implemented in or around 2008?
ex.
change in disfellowshiping rules etc.
Gary,
Every since I have left the Org. I have predicted the Society would start allowing everyone to partake of the "emblems" at thier bastardized Lord's Supper.
It would go like this:
The 144,00 are taken out of the tribes.
The Society will identify the tribes as the Israel of God.
Since the 144,000 are a small percent of the tribes, the tribes include both classes.
Both classes, because they are a part of the Israel of God, will be under the New Covenant.
Since they are all in the New Covenant, all, both classes, will partake.
Thoughts?
V
state of WA or DC?
V
i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.
or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .
whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.
Dep,
My only answer is this: The Word came down from heaven and was made man.
What was the Word?
I do not know. I confess the Word became flesh but I don't have a clue "what" the Word is. I confess the Word is the Only Begotton Son of God.
What do I mean by "only begotton?"
I do not know.
I do not know a lot. The Trinitarians "know." The Jehovah's Witnesses "know" something that is just the opposite.
Right now, I do not cofess a lot of "whats" however, I do confess a relationship with the "whos" of the whole thing.
My faith has been reduced to what I call "the absolute catholicity of the Early Church." What is absolutely catholic (small c) is a very, very narrow range.
V. PS: Dep, I will share something with only you, however, you must not tell ANYONE: The Arians were probably closer to "catholic" than the backers of Nicea.....only the Arians lost politically as Nicea was enforced by emperial force...not theological correctness. I glad only you are aware of my thinking on this. I still get along with the Trinitarians as I can confess both the Nicean and Apostals Creeds with a clear conscience.
i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.
or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .
whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.
I will look into that book.
I have read several books that deal wih interacting with the JWs. All fail. The reason is two fold. First, they discuss the topics one needs to stay away from: the Trinity, state and future of the Dead, Micheal the Archangle, and a few others. Secondly, they don't discuss those areas of weakness: Central theme of the Good News, Justification, the effects of the good news, and some others.
Next, from my own experience. as a Witness, in dabating people on these topics, they do not provide a "flow chart" to guide the interaction. The books I have read are almost comic. The Witness will just take control of the discussion In these interactions, I was far from correct: totally wrong, yet, confident, mentally strong, and determined and trained in WT argumentation.
It takes a person that has a good grasp of Scripture, a fair appraisal of the HIstory of Christianity, and a total knowledge of JW "theology" (mythology is better....) in order to interact with them.
There are two settings: family, friends, workmates in an easygoing setting that is prolonged and comfortable. The second is the one Sir Nose is getting into: down and dirty it is going off the curb and into the street and it's going to be bloody. In the first there is time for a gentle nudge, a hint, a thought put in as seed to develope later. The second requires an arsanal of weapons, a knowledge of the groin kicking, sand in your face style of true WT debate, and a aggressive stance.
Baclk to my central thought: In all these situations, the bottom line always comes back to the same reality:
Whomever controls the question controls all.
I like your comments...you are cool.
V
i want to make a statement, and, if there is any interest, develope it a bit.. in the interactions one has with a jw, no matter what level in the org.
or what the topic is, this needs to be remembered: .
whomever controls the question controls all.. the jws are trained to control the result of the conversation through argument manipulation.
No, but I will do a search on him.
What is the reaon for the question on Christ?
V
in this territory it will mean 'inviting' people to a religious convention about 200 miles away, about a religion that most already do not care about.
i believe this could be a 'tactical error' on the part of the gb, who seem mostly interesting in keeping the urgency level on high with this.
but as far as future converts are concerned, won't most people who were riding the fence as to classifying this group as a cult, go ahead and jump down on the affirmative side of the fence with this stupidity?
Is there a copy online that you know of?
V
